Joe Moore interviews Brian Pace. He studies Evolutionary Ecology, is a science consultant at The Third Wave, and is the director of the project, Mind Manifest Midwest, and instigator of the “Find the Others” project.
3 Key Points:
- Psychedelics are not just illegal, they are also taboo, and Brian’s efforts are aimed to create spaces that make it more comfortable to talk about psychedelics.
- Online resources are great, but having local, and real psychedelic societies to create community will help people “come out” and be comfortable talking about their experiences.
- Brian’s interest evolved from ecology to psychedelics when he realized the issue of global warming. The top environmental problems are selfishness and greed, and changing people’s minds with psychedelics is a big hope for the planet.
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- Getting Involved with The Third Wave
- Met Paul Austin of The Third Wave at the Global Ibogaine Therapy Alliance Conference.
- The conference was foundational in him becoming outspoken about psychedelics.
- Ibogaine - last resort option for people suffering from addiction.
- Brian and the team built The Third Wave with the goal to bring the conversation about psychedelics to be more comfortable among the general public.
- It has been good about building bridges to invite all types of people to the community, not just white males. It's important to be inclusive in this space.
- Find the Others
- Started at Psychedelic Science, to talk about what psychedelic societies are.
- Aware Project by Ashley Booth (www.awareproject.org)
- Psychedelics are not just illegal, they are also Taboo - Michael Pollan
- “Were having a cultural hangover from the upheavals we've had in the late 60’s and early 70’s.” - Brian
- “We can fight taboos when we can have conversations - about that which was taboo - in the grocery store, in the bar, with our parents. I think that's definitely what's needed with psychedelics.” - Brian
- Had the first psychedelic society meeting at a bar that included a presentation about plant secondary compounds and human health and ended with storytelling.
- 20% of Americans over the age of 15 have had some experience with psychedelics, 11% with LSD. (source unsure)
- Mitch Gomez from Dance Safe - more than 50% of the population of the U.S has done illegal compounds at age 15 and up. Psychedelics have taken a big chunk of that number.
- Cannabis is a great help for football players and traumatic brain injury.
- “If psychedelics are ever going to be reintegrated meaningfully in society, we are going to need some kind of mentorship.” - Brian
- Timothy Leary - “You're born with the right to fly”. If you start driving on LSD, you might lose that right.
- Find the Others, Mind Manifest Midwest, The Third Wave
- A collaborative project that allows people to speak in their own words what they are doing in their psychedelic societies.
- Psychedelic Societies are real, local and create community.
- MDMA for PTSD will be passed at the Federal level very quickly.
- Evolutionary Ecology
- Psilocybin - PhD focused on plant secondary compounds.
- The mycorrhizae network - “the Earth’s natural internet” - Paul Stamets
- Climate change
- Consumption - eating meat and driving cars
- The top environmental problems are selfishness, greed and apathy. Changing people’s mindsets with psychedelics could be an only hope.
- “Given that psychedelics have reliably induced mystical and/or religious experiences in people throughout time and across a variety of contexts, it seems natural that we should start organizing communities that help unpack and contextualize these experiences.” - Brian
- The status of our society
- Why do we have to work 55 hours a week to barely afford a 2 bedroom apartment?
- Guaranteed minimum income - an experiment in other countries.
- What does our society look like when it is less stressed?
- Timothy Leary
- “Who knows what you might learn from taking a chance on conversation with a stranger? Everyone carries a piece of the puzzle. Nobody comes into your life by mere coincidence. Trust your instincts. Do the unexpected. Find the others…”
- Helped create the importance of set and setting.
- Saw the inside of 36 prisons for possession of marijuana.
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Brian Pace, M.S. is a scientist by training and psychonaut by inclination. His interest in biology was piqued acutely as a teenager while experimenting with his own neurochemistry. For more than a decade, Brian has worked on agrobiodiversity, food sovereignty, urban cycling, and climate change in the US and Mexico. Brian is the co-founder of Mind Manifest Midwest (facebook.com/mindmanifestmidwest), a Columbus, Ohio based psychedelic society and the instigator of the Find the Others Project (findtheothersproject.org), a global collaboration of the burgeoning psychedelic society movement. Since 2016, he has contributed as a strategist for The Third Wave (thethirdwave.co). At The Ohio State University, he co-created a graduate-level class entitled: Cannabis: Past, present, and future cultivation for fiber, food, and medicine. He spent a year slogging around oil and wastewater pits left by Chevron-Texaco testing mycoremediation techniques in the Ecuadorian Amazon. All pipelines leak. Plant medicine is indigenous technology. Brian completes his Ph.D. in Plant Evolutionary Ecology this semester at OSU.